Following the release of leaked audio of President Trump and White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows’ phone call with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger and others, many on the right have begun to suspect explosive information will be revealed by the Trump administration soon.
The call begins with President Trump getting straight to the point, discussing the Georgia election. “So we’ve spent a lot of time on this, and if we could just go over some of the numbers, I think it’s pretty clear that we won. We won very substantially in Georgia. You even see it by rally size, frankly. We’d be getting 25-30,000 people a rally, and the competition would get less than 100 people. And it never made sense,” the president said.
Trump then went into detail about evidence and allegations of fraud and irregularities in the election. “Brad, I think you agree with that, right?” the president asked after listing a few issues.
A common tactic to catch your adversary in a lie is to ask questions like “Are you sure?” or “You agree with that, right?” These questions often establish whether someone is willing to lie, or tell the truth.
The president repeatedly asks these kinds of questions throughout the phone call, leading many to speculate that he has information that corroborates his allegations, and is trying to catch Raffensperger in a lie.
After the president concluded his list of irregularities, Mark Meadows interjects before Raffensperger can respond to the allegations.
Meadows wanted to know if the Georgia Secretary of State will actually do his job and investigate the allegations. “What I’m hopeful for is there some way that we can, we can find some kind of agreement to look at this a little bit more fully?” the White House Chief of Staff asked.
Raffensperger immediately tries to ignore the evidence, claiming that the election was secure, and that all of Trump’s claims are false.
Georgia-based attorney Kurt Hilbert and President Trump called out Raffensperger for not providing any internal data about the election that could be used to debunk or prove the claims. Hilbert said that he had requested the information several times, but he has been “rebuffed every single time.”
Again refusing to provide specific answers, Raffensperger’s office’s general counsel, Ryan Germany, said: “Well, that’s not the case, sir. There are things that you guys are entitled to get. And there’s things that under law, we are not allowed to give out.”
“Well, under law, you’re not allowed to give faulty election results, okay? You’re not allowed to do that. And that’s what you’ve done. This is a faulty election result,” President Trump replied.
In an attempt to smooth things out between the two sides, Mark Meadows said: “It sounds like we’ve got two different sides agreeing that we can look at those areas, and I assume that we can do that within the next 24 to 48 hours, to go ahead and get that reconciled so that we can look at the two claims and making sure that we get the access to the secretary of state’s data to either validate or invalidate the claims that have been made. Is that correct?”
Unfortunately, his attempt was unsuccessful. “No, that’s not what I said. I’m happy to have our lawyers sit down with Kurt and the lawyers on that side and explain to him, hey, here’s, based on what we’ve looked at so far, here’s how we know this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong,” Germany responded.
Meadows responded: “So what you’re saying, Ryan, let me let me make sure . . . so what you’re saying is you really don’t want to give access to the data. You just want to make another case on why the lawsuit is wrong?”
Germany replied: “I don’t think we can give access to data that’s protected by law. But we can sit down with them and say —”
President Trump interjected: “But you’re allowed to have a phony election? You’re allowed to have a phony election, right?”
It seems that there will be no civil agreement between the president and Raffensperger, and that the data will not be provided willingly. Raffensperger and his allies have made their decision, they don’t want to actually investigate anything, they just want to sweep the allegations under the rug.
President Trump tweeted about the phone call, writing: “I spoke to Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger yesterday about Fulton County and voter fraud in Georgia. He was unwilling, or unable, to answer questions such as the ‘ballots under table’ scam, ballot destruction, out of state ‘voters’, dead voters, and more. He has no clue!”
I spoke to Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger yesterday about Fulton County and voter fraud in Georgia. He was unwilling, or unable, to answer questions such as the “ballots under table” scam, ballot destruction, out of state “voters”, dead voters, and more. He has no clue!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 3, 2021
From the tone and line of questioning by Mark Meadows and President Trump, many are speculating that they have more information than they are letting on.
Jim Hoft, from The Gateway Pundit, shared information on Twitter that may corroborate the idea that the Trump administration have more evidence of the corruption of Georgia’s election and Georgia’s Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger.
“Report: White House Planning to Refer Brad Raffensperger to Secret Service for Investigation Under the Espionage Act,” Hoft tweeted.
— Jim Hoft (@gatewaypundit) January 4, 2021
Here is the full audio of the phone call that was leaked to the media: